Robert K Stock

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  What I remember from 1975

  by Big Dog in

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  20 years ago

  since i am sort of late to the party this has probably been beaten to death and if it has just kick this thread to the curb.

  i was 11 years old in 1975 and i remember being scared silly the whole year.

  i mean there was so much hype about it and the tension in the air was so thick it was unreal.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  I did not go to College after High School because I thought that I should be putting kingdom interests first. Not because I had set a date for Armageddon.

  In my case (which is in the minority of others on this list) 1975 meant nothing to me in 1975. Now 1914! That was the date I set my hopes on. Realizing 1914 was baloney was a big step for me.

  To AlanF who said that my position would have been called spiritually weak in 1975. I would have vehemently said they were the ones who were spiritualy weak. I would have said that to any Circuit or District Overseer or Governing Body member. I had heard about 1975 being the end from my inactive spiritually dead step father, his alcoholic mother and pot smoking sisters. These are the only people I knew who said they believed Armageddon was coming in 1975. The active members of my Congregation publically said they did not believe this.

  I cannot count how many householders asked me about 1975 and I always said NO!

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  Power of hte human mind-See if you can READ THIS.....................

  by Jez in

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  20 years ago

  i cdnuolt blveiee taht i cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht i was rdgnieg.

  the phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid.

  aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at cmabrigde uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer inwaht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  When we look at a photo or painting our eyes do not go from left to right or up and down. We see the entire picture at once. Reading is exactly the same. It is the shape of the words that our brains recognize, not the individual letters.

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  Are UK JWs more faithful the US JWs?

  by Qcmbr in

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  20 years ago

  do you find there are significant differences in religious commitment across the atlantic?

  feel free to chip in if your from another country which is even more die hard / soft and slushy than the us /brits.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  It seems to be a running gag that Americans think Brits are gay.

  "Not that there's anything wrong with that" is a line from the American TV show, Seinfeld. In one episode every time he would mention homosexuality he would quickly add that phrase to prove he was politically correct.

  I am glad you got the joke.

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  Are UK JWs more faithful the US JWs?

  by Qcmbr in

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  20 years ago

  do you find there are significant differences in religious commitment across the atlantic?

  feel free to chip in if your from another country which is even more die hard / soft and slushy than the us /brits.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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  My thoughts on hating the WTS.

  by kwintestal in

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  20 years ago

  " i was thinking today about hating the wts, and you know i really do, and for many reasons which i won't really get into here.. on this thought, i imagined the jwd (jesus' wacky discussion forum) website of 2000 years ago.

  i'm sure many of jesus' new followers would start threads about having their hands cut off, being stoned and the secret backroom shenanigans of the pharisees.

  all there is, is hate here!

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  It is not wrong to hate murderers, liars and thieves. I do hate the WTS. I do not hate the poor deluded souls in the WTS's clutches. Any sincere Witness has my sympathy. The leaders of this organization have my extreme hatred.

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  Are UK JWs more faithful the US JWs?

  by Qcmbr in

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  20 years ago

  do you find there are significant differences in religious commitment across the atlantic?

  feel free to chip in if your from another country which is even more die hard / soft and slushy than the us /brits.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  The British Witnesses I met when I was a Witness were no different from the American Witnesses. Except since they were English they all had to be gay.

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  What I remember from 1975

  by Big Dog in

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  20 years ago

  since i am sort of late to the party this has probably been beaten to death and if it has just kick this thread to the curb.

  i was 11 years old in 1975 and i remember being scared silly the whole year.

  i mean there was so much hype about it and the tension in the air was so thick it was unreal.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  Seattleniceguy:

  I agree with you that the Watchtower would use doublespeak. I remember being told that if the Society gave a "suggestion" we were supposed to know it was a command with no wiggle room for personal thought.

  That was my biggest problem with the Elders. They hated that I had the gall to read something and actually think I could decide the meaning of the words on the page.

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  What I remember from 1975

  by Big Dog in

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  2. experiences

  20 years ago

  since i am sort of late to the party this has probably been beaten to death and if it has just kick this thread to the curb.

  i was 11 years old in 1975 and i remember being scared silly the whole year.

  i mean there was so much hype about it and the tension in the air was so thick it was unreal.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  Nathan Natas:

  Are you someone I knew when I used to be a Witness? I hope some of my old friends have also escaped the Watchtower.

  I remember the Watchtower paragraphs you provided as well as the Life Everlasting book. After reading these things in 1973 I emphatically told people in field service that these materials only gave a vague maybe and nothing more.

  Other people Armageddon was coming in 1975 but I DID NOT and said so. I did not personally hear any talk from March 1973 to December 1975 that spoke with any certainty about 1975.

  I am not saying that others are wrong. I am giving my personal experience from 73-75 in Ventura, California.

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  Did You Feel Being Disfellowshipped Or Reproved Was Justified???

  by minimus in

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  20 years ago

  at the time you got "disciplined", did you feel you "deserved" it??

  what about now????

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  The first time I was disfellowshipped in 1981 I thought it was completely unjustified. It was only for a few minutes. The Elders recommended I be disfellowhipped but when they met with me they thought I was repentent so re-instated me on the spot with the Congregation never knowing. The Elders said that I was the first person they ever met who was arrogant and humble at the same time.

  The second time in 1988. It was justified. 10 years before Bill Clinton was impeached, I was disfellowshipped for lying about having sex. I could have told the President that the cover up is always worse then the act.

  I intended to get re-instated a second time but in a few months I read Crisis of Conscience and began my path to freedom from the Watchtower.

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  What I remember from 1975

  by Big Dog in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  20 years ago

  since i am sort of late to the party this has probably been beaten to death and if it has just kick this thread to the curb.

  i was 11 years old in 1975 and i remember being scared silly the whole year.

  i mean there was so much hype about it and the tension in the air was so thick it was unreal.

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  Robert K Stock 20 years ago

  I was baptized in 1973 when I was 15 years old.

  I may be in the minority but I did not think Armageddon was coming in 1975 and said so emphatically to people I met in service and fellow Witnesses. I did not meet any Witnesses who thought 1975 was the end until years after 1975.

  My thinking was that since the Jesus said that no one knew the day and hour it was unlikely that Armageddon would come when so many people would be expecting it to come. Instead of viewing the Watchtower as back peddling on 1975 I thought they were correctly telling people not to read too much into what others had said. Yes that included Fred Franz.

  In 1979 or 1980 when the Watchtower apologized for not explicitly telling the brothers not to expect Armageddon in 1975 I was outraged since I did not think they had anything to apologize for.

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